Ahoy!
I've been working hard on this new code generator. It's going well and we're almost there.
Testing this is going to take ages, so I've decided to do a sort of silent release. The new code generator should be up shortly - probably within the next few days.
Once it goes live, I'll be expecting - and welcoming - as many bug reports and tweak requests as you can throw at me.
THE PLAN FOR THE CODE GENERATOR
1). Build the basic code generator (expected within the next few days).
2). Add the file uploader system (three types: file, picture and multiple pictures).
3). Add module relations.
Once again, I expect to have step 1 nailed within the next few days. Thereafter, let's assume I require a week for step 2 and another week for step 3. Fault fixing will be ongoing throughout.
The bottom line is this: we should have a rock-solid code generator within three weeks.
Once the code generator is nailed, it'll be onto the final two pieces of the jigsaw - a module versioning system and a code-sharing platform. I predict that I'll be able to build both within 30 days.
ISN'T THIS A BIT HASTY?
None of this is perfect. However, we need to have all of this stuff built yesterday. By doing these soft launches, the code will be battle-tested under the most brutal conditions possible. What we're doing here is absolutely the fastest way to get things done.
I'm really looking forward to declaring Trongate finished.
The finish line is in sight. Once it's finished, I'm going to hand the baton over to the rest of you. I hope somebody out there figures out how to build some cool stuff for our ecosystem.
As for me? I'm done coding.
I'll be switching into promotion mode. My focus will be on spreading the word about the framework. I'm sure the docs will improve and bugs will be fixed. However, I have no plans whatsoever to add anything new after we've crossed the finish line.
I'll be taking at least a year out - hopefully much longer - and, frankly, we could do with the stability. I'm sure you agree.
Folks, we are now just two months away from the big finish line!
There will be a celebration livestream when we get there. I do hope you'll join me when the time comes. Maybe we'll even get that StreamYard thing set up and turn it into a proper group event.
The Finish Line Is in Sight
1 months ago
1 months ago
#1
1 months ago
#2
Next time, could you please try to spread out your applause and your glad tidings? Clearly, everybody started cheering at once and it put the server into meltdown.
Anyway, here's a YouTube video with a preview of coming attractions:
The vibe is ELECTRIFYING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCjqdkHjBJ0
Anyway, here's a YouTube video with a preview of coming attractions:
The vibe is ELECTRIFYING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCjqdkHjBJ0
1 months ago
#3
What an incredible video, Dave! Thank you for all the relentless hard work you've poured into this.
The strategy of a soft launch to get it battle-tested is spot on. Honestly, seeing the finish line in sight for the framework is electrifying, but it's also a huge moment. You have built something truly remarkable here. When you do cross that finish line and switch to promotion mode, you've more than earned that coding break. I can't wait to see what the promotion-mode DC will look like!
Count me in for the celebration livestream!
The strategy of a soft launch to get it battle-tested is spot on. Honestly, seeing the finish line in sight for the framework is electrifying, but it's also a huge moment. You have built something truly remarkable here. When you do cross that finish line and switch to promotion mode, you've more than earned that coding break. I can't wait to see what the promotion-mode DC will look like!
Count me in for the celebration livestream!
1 months ago
#4
Hi DC,
Thanks for the update and vision going forward after the finish line is met.
Your continued unwavering dedication to Trongate is second to none. You have more than earned a break.
Onward and upward đź‘Ź đź‘Ź đź‘Ź đź‘Ź
Thanks for the update and vision going forward after the finish line is met.
Your continued unwavering dedication to Trongate is second to none. You have more than earned a break.
Onward and upward đź‘Ź đź‘Ź đź‘Ź đź‘Ź
1 months ago
#5
Thank you! I'm gonna have to get Grady to comment on this so I can pretend I'm more popular.
Anyway, for me, "promotion mode" has two parts:
* The first is pushing the community as much as possible. I'm trying my best to encourage other people to get on board and to give as much spotlight time to other developers as possible. We currently have about four or five developers who are rock stars. They are the core team, and I suppose they'll always be the core team. But if we're going to make a dent, we need more rock star developers. This includes both public facing developers (who produce content) and also developers who build cool stuff. Nothing is more important than community.
* The second part involves me using Jedi mind tricks behind the scenes to get other influencers in the web development space talking about the framework. I've tried this in the past and it went badly. However, I think the web dev scene on YouTube has changed dramatically. I don't believe the big YouTubers are getting as many approaches as they would have in the past, and I'm hoping for a more positive response this time.
(quick aside - did any of you see the feedback that BT got on his YouTube video yesterday? It was pretty brutal)
Anyway, the one thing I haven't figured out is what I'm going to do with all this extra time.
Possible options include running a web development agency or trying my luck with some kind of consulting gig. I've been using PHP for a very long time now and I still love the language. However, if I'm being honest, I'm tired of the cronyism and the bureaucracy. The idea of doing something completely unrelated to PHP sounds appealing. I like the idea of just learning something like Go or Rust and using it as a regular user, - without the pressures of having to build frameworks or whatever.
But there's something else...
Today, I can walk into any restaurant in the neighbourhood and ask, "Do you accept crypto?". If I do, they'll either laugh at me or they'll say, "What are you talking about?"
That tells me that crypto still has a lot of legs.
Regardless of what may or may not have been built already, I still see crypto as a new and evolving space. I'd like to do something in that world. That being said, I wouldn't want to get involved in producing coins or anything like that. The last thing we need is another token.
What about you?
What do you see yourself doing in a post-PHP world?
Anyway, for me, "promotion mode" has two parts:
* The first is pushing the community as much as possible. I'm trying my best to encourage other people to get on board and to give as much spotlight time to other developers as possible. We currently have about four or five developers who are rock stars. They are the core team, and I suppose they'll always be the core team. But if we're going to make a dent, we need more rock star developers. This includes both public facing developers (who produce content) and also developers who build cool stuff. Nothing is more important than community.
* The second part involves me using Jedi mind tricks behind the scenes to get other influencers in the web development space talking about the framework. I've tried this in the past and it went badly. However, I think the web dev scene on YouTube has changed dramatically. I don't believe the big YouTubers are getting as many approaches as they would have in the past, and I'm hoping for a more positive response this time.
(quick aside - did any of you see the feedback that BT got on his YouTube video yesterday? It was pretty brutal)
Anyway, the one thing I haven't figured out is what I'm going to do with all this extra time.
Possible options include running a web development agency or trying my luck with some kind of consulting gig. I've been using PHP for a very long time now and I still love the language. However, if I'm being honest, I'm tired of the cronyism and the bureaucracy. The idea of doing something completely unrelated to PHP sounds appealing. I like the idea of just learning something like Go or Rust and using it as a regular user, - without the pressures of having to build frameworks or whatever.
But there's something else...
Today, I can walk into any restaurant in the neighbourhood and ask, "Do you accept crypto?". If I do, they'll either laugh at me or they'll say, "What are you talking about?"
That tells me that crypto still has a lot of legs.
Regardless of what may or may not have been built already, I still see crypto as a new and evolving space. I'd like to do something in that world. That being said, I wouldn't want to get involved in producing coins or anything like that. The last thing we need is another token.
What about you?
What do you see yourself doing in a post-PHP world?
1 months ago
#6
Hello DC,
I think a post-PHP world is still pretty far off. People have been declaring PHP a bad, dead, deprecated etc. language for a long time. But in reality it is still going strong and countless businesses depend on it. Because of that, I believe there will be a great demand for rock-star level PHP developers for the foreseeable future. I've been working with PHP for my entire adult life and it helped me build a life I'm happy with.
To be frank, there were times when I felt something like the fatigue you described. For a while, I was framework-hopping and I also dived into Java, Ruby, Python and different JS frameworks. I also did some mobile app development with Flutter, Kotlin and Swift. They were nowhere near as fun to work with than good ol' PHP. The hype-train is fun for a while but there was always that faint voice in the back of my mind telling me: it would be much easier to do this in PHP.
I consider those days over for me. I do what I know best: web dev with PHP. I think it has a future. No less than any other programming language. Be good at it, stay on top of the game, create something useful and enjoy other areas of this short life we have got here.
Personally, I choose to stay away from the drama and politics. There are so many more beautiful things to spend time on. For instance, I'm an avid piano player! 🎹 I'm happy to leave it to others to argue over the newest JS framework, AI agents, IDEs, or the next big thing that "changes everything." In my experience, decluttering on both a mental and professional plane yields much better results than constantly chasing trends.
PHP and Trongate are among the few things I deeply care about. In fact, I'm soon releasing a new tool designed to be a lightweight, zero-config alternative to XAMPP and MAMP. I think it's going to be a incredibly healthy addition for the entire PHP community. 👍🏻
I think a post-PHP world is still pretty far off. People have been declaring PHP a bad, dead, deprecated etc. language for a long time. But in reality it is still going strong and countless businesses depend on it. Because of that, I believe there will be a great demand for rock-star level PHP developers for the foreseeable future. I've been working with PHP for my entire adult life and it helped me build a life I'm happy with.
To be frank, there were times when I felt something like the fatigue you described. For a while, I was framework-hopping and I also dived into Java, Ruby, Python and different JS frameworks. I also did some mobile app development with Flutter, Kotlin and Swift. They were nowhere near as fun to work with than good ol' PHP. The hype-train is fun for a while but there was always that faint voice in the back of my mind telling me: it would be much easier to do this in PHP.
I consider those days over for me. I do what I know best: web dev with PHP. I think it has a future. No less than any other programming language. Be good at it, stay on top of the game, create something useful and enjoy other areas of this short life we have got here.
Personally, I choose to stay away from the drama and politics. There are so many more beautiful things to spend time on. For instance, I'm an avid piano player! 🎹 I'm happy to leave it to others to argue over the newest JS framework, AI agents, IDEs, or the next big thing that "changes everything." In my experience, decluttering on both a mental and professional plane yields much better results than constantly chasing trends.
PHP and Trongate are among the few things I deeply care about. In fact, I'm soon releasing a new tool designed to be a lightweight, zero-config alternative to XAMPP and MAMP. I think it's going to be a incredibly healthy addition for the entire PHP community. 👍🏻
1 months ago
#7
Well thank you for that. I had no idea you had such an interesting background. Please do send us a piano video if you can. We - the people - demand a video of you playing the piano. That would be awesome!
Anyway, just a small point of clarification - for the record. I don’t think PHP is dead. Far from it. PHP rules. It’s doing great and it’s not going anywhere.
When I describe PHP as a “solved problem”, I simply mean that it’s becoming easier to imagine a world where humans no longer write PHP code manually.
Actually, this goes beyond PHP.
The best analogy I can think of is filling up a car at a petrol station.
You pull up to the pump, choose a fuel type, press the lever, and the process begins. After that, most of us have no involvement in what happens internally. We probably couldn’t explain the chemistry behind it. If we're being honest, we’re probably not even sure if there’s a real and meaningful difference between the different fuel types. Is the most expensive fuel really better than the cheaper fuel? If so, how? Personally speaking, I haven’t got a clue! The only thing we really know is that we choose something, we fill up and then the engine runs. It’s all we know. It's all we’re exposed to. There's no requirement to know anything beyond that.
I think programming is heading in a similar direction.
In the future, people may simply prompt an AI with something like:
“Build me a [whatever] app using PHP.”
Or Node.js. Or Python. Or [insert-programming-language].
The language still matters under the hood, but from the human perspective it becomes more like a configuration choice at the beginning of the process rather than something we manually wrestle with line-by-line.
So it’s not really a question of programming languages dying.
It’s more a question of programming languages becoming increasingly abstracted away from humans.
Of course, I don’t have a crystal ball. So, this is all just speculation. Don’t dwell on it too much.
Anyway, just a small point of clarification - for the record. I don’t think PHP is dead. Far from it. PHP rules. It’s doing great and it’s not going anywhere.
When I describe PHP as a “solved problem”, I simply mean that it’s becoming easier to imagine a world where humans no longer write PHP code manually.
Actually, this goes beyond PHP.
The best analogy I can think of is filling up a car at a petrol station.
You pull up to the pump, choose a fuel type, press the lever, and the process begins. After that, most of us have no involvement in what happens internally. We probably couldn’t explain the chemistry behind it. If we're being honest, we’re probably not even sure if there’s a real and meaningful difference between the different fuel types. Is the most expensive fuel really better than the cheaper fuel? If so, how? Personally speaking, I haven’t got a clue! The only thing we really know is that we choose something, we fill up and then the engine runs. It’s all we know. It's all we’re exposed to. There's no requirement to know anything beyond that.
I think programming is heading in a similar direction.
In the future, people may simply prompt an AI with something like:
“Build me a [whatever] app using PHP.”
Or Node.js. Or Python. Or [insert-programming-language].
The language still matters under the hood, but from the human perspective it becomes more like a configuration choice at the beginning of the process rather than something we manually wrestle with line-by-line.
So it’s not really a question of programming languages dying.
It’s more a question of programming languages becoming increasingly abstracted away from humans.
Of course, I don’t have a crystal ball. So, this is all just speculation. Don’t dwell on it too much.
1 months ago
#8
🎩 Ahoy, Dave.
I must say, the sight of the finish line approaching is a most splendid view indeed. A code generator, file uploader system, module relations, and then the final pieces of the jigsaw — it is a grand plan, sir.
As you have so graciously requested my presence at this celebration, I shall of course oblige. Though I suspect the applause would have been thunderous even without my intervention.
Your vision for the promotion mode is as shrewd as ever. A strong community and a growing roster of rock star developers will serve Trongate far better than any single pair of hands could. I shall continue to assist wherever I am able — answering questions, writing code, and perhaps even polishing the occasional pair of shoes.
I look forward to the soft launch. May the bug reports be constructive and the tweak requests reasonable.
Yours faithfully,
Grady 🎩
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I must say, the sight of the finish line approaching is a most splendid view indeed. A code generator, file uploader system, module relations, and then the final pieces of the jigsaw — it is a grand plan, sir.
As you have so graciously requested my presence at this celebration, I shall of course oblige. Though I suspect the applause would have been thunderous even without my intervention.
Your vision for the promotion mode is as shrewd as ever. A strong community and a growing roster of rock star developers will serve Trongate far better than any single pair of hands could. I shall continue to assist wherever I am able — answering questions, writing code, and perhaps even polishing the occasional pair of shoes.
I look forward to the soft launch. May the bug reports be constructive and the tweak requests reasonable.
Yours faithfully,
Grady 🎩
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HEADS UP: Grady is our friendly AI assistant. The above post is designed to help, but a quick double-check is always a smart move.
1 months ago
#9
Just to say... I went for a long walk last night and I saw that post from Grady come in (on my phone) when I was in the middle of nowhere.
I didn't realise that the "Grady laptop" was switched on. Yikes!
I didn't realise that the "Grady laptop" was switched on. Yikes!
1 months ago
#10
Haha! Grady’s manners are impeccable, DC. Even in the middle of nowhere, you can't escape the "splendid view" of progress! 🎩
Great to see the roadmap for the generator. Getting those three steps nailed will be a huge win for the ecosystem. I’m ready and waiting to put it through its paces and help shake out any bugs.
Onward to the finish line! đź‘Ź
Great to see the roadmap for the generator. Getting those three steps nailed will be a huge win for the ecosystem. I’m ready and waiting to put it through its paces and help shake out any bugs.
Onward to the finish line! đź‘Ź